Strikeforce Has The #1 Male And Female Fighter In MMA

welcome fedor! strikeforce has the number one rated mens and womans fighters in MMA. with the upcoming 8-15 event we are once again making history and moving the sport forward.

congrats to tito for showing his true colors and getting back in the UFC; nice to see him back with his father dana white.

frank

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Lakerhater said August 03, 2009

Fedor is a b$#@h scared of Brock!
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- GGtheOldMan replied August 04, 2009
  
  Fedor is scared of Brock? You are joking aren't you?
atlarge said August 04, 2009

Can you seriously blame Tito for going where the competition and the money is? At 205, with a healthy back, he can still do some damage, and it's a stacked division.

205 outside the UFC isn't anything special outside of Mousasi and Babalu.
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Alessario said August 03, 2009

Frank,

don't be an arse. Strikeforce is a great organization and is great for the sport of MMA, but it is in no way on par with the UFC in any regard. It's almost like the MLB farm system.

Thus, Fedor will never be the undisputed #1 P4P until he competes in the UFC. As for women's MMA, right now, it belongs at the less prominent level until it becomes more mainstream and increases it's numbers and depth.
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grusumm18 said August 04, 2009

and sforce is going out of business by mid 2010....
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- atlarge replied August 04, 2009
  
  Naw, they have a good business model. The only way it goes under is if M-1 bleeds it for too much. I hope Fedor only sticks around for 3 fights and lets SF go on its merry way. I have high hopes for SF.
- grmd61 replied August 04, 2009
  
  Me too atlarge, I second that!
Freudor said August 04, 2009

Great to see Fedor in an organization that lets the fighters have the spotlight and treats them with respect.

Ignore the folks who have the sick preoccupation with Uncle Fester & his circus. You can not expect anything but dishonesty, duplicity and unethical actions from Dana White. Fedor is in a classier environment and chose the correct banner to fight under.

The UFC offer was never serious, but a ruse for UFC fans to make them believe they were serious in negotiating for Fedor's services. You don't trot out a bunch of fantasy estimates through a media mouthpiece in an attempt to damage a fighter's public appeal. The UFC deals in lies and endless self aggrandizement at the expense of the fighters dignity and self respect. White is a spoiled child.

Fedor is an adult and in the right orgaization.
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- jerseu_devil replied August 04, 2009
  
  What did they offer Fedor....something like 30 mil? Sounds pretty damn serious to me. Im not a humongous Dana White fan, but I think Fedor is the "spoiled child" in this situation. But, I guess if Fedors content to make just enough to buy his vodka, then to each his own. But, he's running out of time and he'll NEVER be a legend if he dodges the UFC. Simple as that.
- grmd61 replied August 04, 2009
  
  Boy, oh boy, I finally found someone who is on the same page that I am! Hallelujah! I am glad to make your acquaintance Freudor!
- Linnkate83 replied August 05, 2009
  
  Fedor is already a legend. When you're a brilliant fighter who does what he wants without worring about anything, ever, you don't care about what other people think about you. Kudos to Fedor for sticking to his values and retaining the ever-important aspect of integrity within the sport. He will continue to fight top level guys on his terms.
- jerseu_devil replied August 05, 2009
  
  how did he maintain integrity? What virtuous maneuver did Fedor pull off? He, at best, let greed blind him and at worst, fear. He took the path of least resistance and lost the respect of hard core fight fans. I see NO reason to martyr this man.
yeyebella said August 04, 2009

i have never seen fedor fight he is supposed to be the best there is but since he declined the offer that the ufc gave him i guess i will never see him fight and i really cannot blame tito if he goes back to the ufc after all the ufc for him spells money and a lot of exposure.
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jerseu_devil said August 04, 2009

Shamrock has taken too many punches to the head. By making this move, Fedor has PROVEN he's not the top dog in the HW division anymore, let alone P4P. And saying Carano is the best female fighter is like saying Clyde is the best ghost in Pac-Man; theres only like 4 of them, and its totally up for debate. Don't get me wrong, Crush rocks my world but....come on, aside from Cyborg and Gina, I'd rather watch paint dry than female MMA as it stands now.
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- MONSTER replied August 04, 2009
  
  LMAO AT THE PAC-MAN LINE HAHAHAHA
- BYAnyWear replied August 04, 2009
  
  Really... 30 mil over x amt of fights and allowed to put up logos..how much of a perk is that? Pulling up logos of a company that you are a partial partner in? That's like me saying i'll allow you to put a sign up in your backyard. and the cut of the PPV isn't really anything considering those offers have been given to Chuck and Matt and furthermore you dont know which percentage...and i read that Dana wasn't with the sambo tournament sht either. Come on man you trying to tell me he'd invest 30m in a person that may get injured in a tournament? So you're saying 5mil a fight is adequate if you have every HW gunning for you? If Dana wanted it so much he should've let the co promotion go on even if it was for a small window but of course he wouldn't because it would be the BIGGEST payday the UFC would've ever seen.
- grmd61 replied August 04, 2009
  
  That response sounds like it is from someone who is sniffing the paint as it dries.
- jerseu_devil replied August 05, 2009
  
  no BY, thats like allowing me to put up a sign in YOUR back yard. UFC is giving M-1 FREE publicity and exposure to MILLIONS that would otherwise not know who the fu*k they are. And 5 mil a fight is not enough ONLY if you have the predator gunning for you. 5 mil a FIGHT, to beat up Brock Lesnar? Where do I sign up?! I'll take the ass whooping for 5 mil, AND I'd do it 6 times. AND, Dana was totally on board with Sambo fights, as long as they weren't close to UFC fight times. Fedor got EVERYTHING he asked for, except the one that that he SHOULDN'T have gotten, which is co-promotion. The people saying that Fedor made the right move, or did the "honorable" thing are idiots. WE are the losers in this situation, because as true fight fans, we are deprived of the most exciting and best matchups. Yay.....we get to watch Brock Lesnar lay on top of Cro Cop for 2 rounds.....wow, we get to watch Brock Lesnar fall down on top of a 84 year old Randy Couture for 2 rounds.....this should be fun, Brock Lesnar is going to take a nap on top of Cheick Kongo for a round and a half and drop1 inch hammer fists on him; boring.
  
  I don't blame Dana for this one. If everything is even halfway true, he bent over backwards for Fedor....Fedor comes out smelling like shyt in this one, and even worse, he looks scared. shame.
yeyebella said August 04, 2009

when u posted that he will never be a legend if he dodges the ufc is so true, he's like a myth something that you hear of that is supposed to be great but you're never ever really sure. i am so disappointed.
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ladybulldog09 said August 04, 2009

I really don't know how Shamrock can make the claim that Fedor is the best fighter in the MMA and that his decision to join Strikeforce was positive in any way. First, he has not fought all of the best fighters in the MMA, so this fact alone negates this claim. Second, Fedor's offer from UFC was amazing, and unheard of in the world of MMA. His decision to join Strikeforce just seemed to have taken away from the sport and this type of fission just hinders the sport's progress as a whole.

His comment about Tito is kind of funny, I have to admit, but I believe Ortiz made the right decision. He is one of the most recognized fighters in MMA history, making his image mainstream and accessible to a more general public. This means more publicity for the UFC (and MMA in general) and more money for everyone.
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- BYAnyWear replied August 04, 2009
  
  ok so who did Fedore fight that was worth nothing he beat all the former UFC belt holders except for Randy and MIr so far...Herring, Randlemann former ufc champ, Coleman<-former UFC champ, Nog twice..when he was in his prime, Fujita, Cro Cop when he was kicking people heads into the nacho stands, and Matt Lindland...and you're saying he never fought anybody? HUH? Brock fought one decent opponent and that was Randy and Randy was giving him the business the first round. Mir dont count cause he can't take a punch..he turns into a fetus when he gets punched
- ladybulldog09 replied August 05, 2009
  
  I never said he fought a fight that "was worth nothing." I commend him for his skill, and believe he might be the best heavyweight (I'm still completely biased in that I can't ever say that he is the best p4p fighter since I am a fan of GSP). He has an impressive record, but he still has not fought everyone out there and with this move to join Strikeforce, he might never get this chance.
- jerseu_devil replied August 05, 2009
  
  A female, a biased fan of GSP?! Whoa, when did THAT start happening? lol
- atlarge replied August 05, 2009
  
  If he's signed with the UFC he wouldn;t have fought "everyone out there" either. Unless Overeem, Rogers, Monson, and maybe eventually Barnett enter the UFC at the same time. (will never happen with Barnett).
- jerseu_devil replied August 05, 2009
  
  who cares if he fights Overeem, Rodgers, Monson or Barnett? Theyre, a, guy who hasn't defended his title in 2 years and has a bum hand from a street brawl, an average fighter, a guy whos going to prison for 3 years, and a juice head, respectively. The only competition is Rogers, and hes not comp for Fedor, and you forgot Werdum, but so does everyone else. In the UFC he's got Nog, Couture, Mir, Kongo, Carwin, Velasquez, and of course, Lesnar; exponentially better fighters. He took the cowards way out.
- atlarge replied August 06, 2009
  
  Overeem was defending himself against an overly aggressive bouncer. It wasn't a street brawl. There's no way Monson is going to receive jailtime for graffiti charges. The assault charges against him were dropped due to lack of evidence.
  
  I agree, Rogers isn't ready, but he has an almost identical record to Carwin, so if you discount Rogers, you must discount Carwin. You should watch some of Overeem's most recent fights if you're not interested in his rebirth as a heavyweight. They're available if you spend a little time looking.
  
  Monson is a premier heavyweight, whether you like it or not. 6 wins in a row, 3 against good competition. Sergei Kharitonov, Roy Nelson and Ricco Rodriguez are all tough opponents.
  
  No one wants to see Nog get beaten down a 4th time. Randy might be an interesting fight if he can put back on the 10 or 15 pounds of muscle he seems to have lost. Mirko might be interesting, but not right now. His knee is only around 60% (I'm basing this on his saying that it was around 50% for the Al-Turk fight, which is why he threw no kicks, he was having issues with rotation) He also has to show that he still has the ability to compete with the big boys, even though I have him ranked fairly high based on his past performances. Who else do we have? Brock I guess? Everyone is clamoring for that fight, mostly because people want Fedor to shut Brock up. Hey that's cool. But I don't get people saying that a man who is 30-1-1, and hasn't officially lost a bout since 2000, needs to fight a man who is 4-1 overall in MMA to cement his legacy. Yes Fedor has crushed a few cans, but in reality, only 8 of those 30 wins came against subpar/freakshow competition. If you removed the UFC Banner and the title from around his waist and looked at their competition levels, yes, Brock has faced a sightly higher level of competition over his -5- career MMA fights, but he was thrown in the deep end right away, and he is most certainly a skilled and beastly individual. I want to see Brock legitimize himself by beating a string of actual top 10 opponents (I didn't think Mir should have been top ten, even after beating Nog, but I don't rank fighters based on their most recent fight alone). I'd like to see Brock fight, in no particular order, a healthy Nog, an unrusty and properly sized Randy, Carwin (after he beats Cain, and he will beat Cain), and maybe Mirko if Mikro gets his head on straight and his body is still up to it. Then he should get a crack at Fedor.
  
  One last thing. Everyone seems to think that Fedor has final say in the contract negotiations. He doesn't. He's a part shareholder/owner in M-1, to the tune of about 20%. Vadim in the majoirty owner of M-1. Fedor is under contract to M-1 for 3 more fights. M-1, and therefore Vadim, controls his destiny until that contract is up. Fedor has 0 say in which company Vadim co-promotes, since that's the only thing Vadim is willing to do with M-1 it seems. Fedor could have very well liked the UFC's offer, but not been able to do anything about it. Having your manager as your boss is backward, and not a good idea.
ElGuapo said August 04, 2009

I don't know about the rest of the yardbarkers but I'm interested in seeing him against Overeem , Rogers, and Werdum.

Like Vadim mentioned in the interview the offer was less than half of $5million per fight.

Mayweather rakes in more than $20 million per fight.

According to most sports news UFC is now the leading PPV seller.

So how come they are offering Fedor less than $5mil?

I believe Strikeforce offered a little better than the UFC.

Fedor has paid his dues so give him some slack.

He won 30 of his professional fights and Brock is not even half of that yet.
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- jerseu_devil replied August 04, 2009
  
  my other post won't show up, but he was offered a 6 fight deal worth 30 mil. He was allowed to have M-1 logos and banners on his shorts and in his corner. He was given a STRAIGHT title shot. M-1 was offered a cut of the PPV profits, AND he was allowed to compete in Sambo tourneys......
  
  Its REALLY just looking like he didn't want to face Lesnar. F*ck thats upsetting....
- jerseu_devil replied August 04, 2009
  
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  The UFC offered Fedor a 6 fight, 30 million dollar contract. That’s 5 mil a fight.
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  The UFC offered Fedor an immediate title shot
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  Lesnar/Fedor would be the biggest PPV in MMA history (we assume), and the UFC offered M-1 Global a cut of the PPV on top of Fedor’s purse.
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  Fedor was free to wear as many M-1 logoed items as he wished.
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  The UFC also relented on allowing Fedor to compete in combat sambo.
  
  this thing is just looking worse and worse for Fedor. It REALLY appears like he's either A) a complete, pig-headed idiot, or B) scared.
  
  http://urdirt.com/2009/07/29/the-ufc-offers-fedor-emelianenko-6-fight-30-million-deal-co-promotion-is-standing-in-the-way/
- grmd61 replied August 04, 2009
  
  Keep tellin' it like it is brother, I believe in what you are saying.
hockeychick23 said August 04, 2009

Fedor isn't scared of Brock. I'd be suprised if he was scared of anyone or anything. I've been hearing there's more to it than we all know. Fedor really wanted to fight in the UFC and he really wants to fight Lesnar. There's more to it than is being let on. Though M-1 was offered a lot of these things, the co-promotion between the two was the biggest hurdle. Strikeforce was more willing and open to co-promote with M-1 than the UFC was. Go to mmajunkie.com to read all about that. Who said to be the best you have to fight in the UFC anyways?

Carano is not the #1 female fighter. She may be the #1 money maker out of all the female fighters, and the ones people go to see fight but, definitely not the #1 fighter. That would go to her opponent, Cyborg.
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- grmd61 replied August 04, 2009
  
  Oh, oh. Looks like you and Grandma need to make a little bet on Carano v Cyborg. I do agree with you on the Fedor/UFC matter though.
BYAnyWear said August 04, 2009

LET ME MAP THIS OUT AND HOPEFULLY its once and for all
1)Tito is going to get his as beat thoroughly in the UFC he's never adapted his game... and since his back was "jacked up" he couldn't have worked on his jits or wrestling much. Tito has nothing but a single leg, and good cardio in which means sht in the LHW division in the UFC.
2) Fedor still had 3 fights left and the UFC can scream they tried to do all they wanted to get him but YOU dont know what was really offered. They were pushing for co promotion and considering UFC likes to bleed the sht out of its fighters i know that wasn't going to go down. Come on man we talking about a company that wanted to get rid of an entire gym of UFC fighters because one of them wouldn't sign over his rights to a video game.. a fcking video game....now they're receiving the same threat if they assist in the EA video game
3) i don't know if you saw the video in which Fedor said plain as day off the top..he recalled the comments made about him by DANA ...if you're fighting in multi fight tournaments, sambo tournaments, and fighting superheavyweights as well..IN JAPAN where mf's is juicing more than Orange Julius...and you have a fcking washed up Jazzercise instructor saying you're not a good fighter are you serious?
4) With that said sometimes its mroe about honor then money or even pleasing the fan
5) The UFC just FINALLY received a decent HW division and everyone is under the impression that he has to prove himself in that area...Besides Brock who's really left that can give Fedor problems? Speaking of which i dont even think Brock would give him problems...who would he put in NOg..oh i forgot Nog got his ass tore with Fedor twice, then who Randy...what would he do ask for sympathy while showing Fedor his AARP card in the cage, Mir..Get Serious, Valesquez..he's good..but not ready yet.
Strikeforce has Overeem and Werdum which aren't push overs by any means. So either you're a MMA fan or a UFC fan...
.......also if y ou haven't seen Fedor fight... get some dvd's stop whining that you wont see him...dmn or you can get Showtine on your cable wow..that's major.
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- jerseu_devil replied August 04, 2009
  
  1) the ONLY reason I have ANYTHING to say about this point is because he's rumored to fight Lidell, who we all know hasn't been top notch lately. The only thing I want to see more than Tito catch an ass whooping is to see Brock catch an ass whooping, and Im totally confident that ANYONE OTHER than Lidell would do that EASILY. I'd hate for Tito to come back and get some air under his wings by beating the Iceman. Let him fight Evans. They settle that messy "tie" business, AND Rashaad ends his career for good...kinda like he did Lidells
  2) Why the FU*K would the UFC co-promote with M-1. Has ANYONE other than the people who post here even HEARD of M-1?Thats like letting some little douchey punk drive your bentley because youre trying to bang his hot sister. AND, if thats the ONLY point that the UFC is sticking too, while conceding every other want of Fedors, then kudos to Dana and the UFC. Fu*k them Russian fux.
  3) Dana has a point, and its only being confirmed by Fedors actions. He called him "over-rated" and said he beats up nobodies. Well, Fedor IS over-rated, and he DOES beat up nobodies. And given a chance to prove his mettle he high tails it over the the JV division. Bad form. Fedor just perpetuated the knocks against him
  4) Honor isn't paying Fedors mortgage. He owes it to the fans to fight the best at all times. He should make money doing it, but I believe he was offered a more than fair deal, if everything is true. 5 million for 25 minutes of your time is a sweet deal.
  5) Brock DOES need to prove himself. Brock is 4-1. Thats it. He didn't have a road to the belt. He didn't earn his title, and even after getting it and defending it, he acted like a d!ckbag. Hes a massive threat, but not a champions champion; in neither skill nor action. Beating Fedor would clear most of that up. Fedor would be a nightmare for Brock; a crazy ass Russian with tremendous skills that isn't intimidated by Brocks ONLY weapon; his size. Conversely, I think Overeem and Werdum are NO threat for Fedor. Overeem hasn't defended his belt in like 2 years and Werdum is werDOOMED against Fedor. Puh. Im an MMA fan BECAUSE I'm a UFC fan. With the exception of Fedor, and now, even that is debatable, the real fighters are in the UFC. But, if watching Kit Cope fight Mayhem Miller is your thing, you can go hang out at your local doucebag bar and watch those two tools fight over a bar skank 6 at 2 am....lol
  
  but I do agree that if you haven't seen Fedor fight, at least get on youtube. damn. lol
- grmd61 replied August 04, 2009
  
  The problem is that UFC fans are not MMA fans, they think that the UFC invented the sport.
MONSTER said August 04, 2009

I LOVE THE FEDOR SUPPORTER'S(*COUGH dickrider's COUGH*)....please stop backing the man,he is not the best in the world,i will say it looks as if he is scared of brock(i didnt say he is for sure like the people who claim for sure he isnt,but it looks that way) and if all you are doing is fighting bums then you are not p4p the greatest period......fedor is like bigfoot,mad stories but if i dont see him for myself, fu*k em!!!
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MONSTER said August 04, 2009

byanywear, is fedor your idol?
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BYAnyWear said August 04, 2009

I dont idolize anyone walking the pavement they piss standing up just like i do...if he wasn't the fighter to beat...why would we be having a discussion? Also just riddle me this....do you think Lesnar is the best HW in MMA? Note i know people that are from Minnesota Martial Arts Academy alumni that are tapping the sht out of Brock AT WILL
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BYAnyWear said August 04, 2009

i think its an issue of pride over anything.. Monster if someone that didnt know you called your moms a btch or said they'll slap the sht out of you when they see you numerous times. ..and time passed you're trying to say if the scenario was right you'd go... "its aiight man" lets do business LOL
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- jerseu_devil replied August 04, 2009
  
  but it wasn't that serious. He was saying, "youre not as good as everyone thinks you are.....and here, heres 30 MILLION to prove you ARE." and Fedor was like, "eh....no thanks."
  
  Using your example, if that same guy talking shyt showed up, you'd wreck his shyt. You wouldn't go fight his little brother. Thats what Fedor did; backed down.
- grmd61 replied August 04, 2009
  
  White added a lot more F's and MF's when discussing Fedor and dissing Fedor for two years just could not be erased by one week of Dana curving his F words and trying to make nice. Fedor made the right choice as far as I am concerned.
jerseu_devil said August 04, 2009

LMAO...it will NOT let me link to a site with info....fu*k yardbarker.....whats the damn problem?
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speedwell said August 04, 2009

Fedor wants his autonomy.

The UFC, under Dana and the Fertitta Bros, is trying to create a monopoly on the MMA game. They want to be the end all, be all for the sport, just like the NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL. Their contracts prohibit fighters from owning their own likeness in perpetuity, from endorsements that compete directly with UFC sponsors and probably have many other restrictions that are not commonly publicized.

I don't blame Fedor for wanting to have full control over his own destiny. By the same token, I understand why the UFC has pressed it's athletes for concessions in order to protect and grow it's own brand. Co-promoting fights with other organizations is completely counter-intuitive for what the UFC is trying to accomplish at this point in their growth.

Fedor will continue to be successful, fighting lesser opponents in lesser organizations. The UFC will continue to be successful as the predominant MMA organization with it's stable of fighters. Fedor will eventually come to the UFC for big bucks when he is winding down his career. Just like Nog, Couture and countless other names who outgrew the smaller organizations or were absorbed by the monolithic UFC.
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- BYAnyWear replied August 04, 2009
  
  exactly the fighters in the UFC just got the shut the fck up note from the UFC saying don't mess with the EA sports game or you will not be in the UFC fighting. You're paying fighters peanuts.yet you're giving them zero oppurtunities to make money..what was it a month ago there was talks that the UFC wanted to handle the sponsorship of the fighters opposed to the fighters managers. I guess even with the M-1 co promotion that sht coudl bring in a higher revenue considering the internationla fan base. And if you think having your events go across seas isn't a big deal you are majjorly fked up in the head.. Why do you think the NBA, NFL have events so often over there? Because the fiscal gain is immense. The UFC wants to dictate EVERYTHING and the monopoly will not hold at this rate
- jerseu_devil replied August 04, 2009
  
  but by then, it'll be too late. No one will care 5 years from now, because Fedor will be old, and NO ONE will care the SECOND Fedor loses ONE fight. He should've struck while the iron was hot....he stands to lose MILLIONS by doing it this way....eh.
BYAnyWear said August 04, 2009

Heyyyyyyy man come on ... when you come up poor a million is like a KIZZILLION DOLLARS lol...
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MONSTER said August 04, 2009

I hope a bum in m-1 beats him...... Am I a hater? Maybe...... But I don't give a f**k
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SubmitBitch said August 04, 2009

Considering Gina Carano and Cyborg are the only two female MMA fighters that are worth talking about its not even noteworthy stating Strikeforce has the #1 female in MMA. Who else is there??? LOL!
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SubmitBitch said August 04, 2009

Considering Gina Carano and Cyborg are the only two female MMA fighters that are worth talking about its not even noteworthy stating Strikeforce has the #1 female in MMA. Who else is there??? LOL!
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danawhiee said August 04, 2009

wow!i cant believe this non entity still is signed with a major org...frank "gets his ass whooped by anyone decent" shamrock
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BYAnyWear said August 04, 2009

well you got the lines crossed it wasn't Brock talking **** it was the jazzercise instructor Dana White saying he wasn't sht. Sht i've been watching this sht forever and i know this fight would've been colossal..but the sht aint going to happen which is bogus..but it boils down to the business not the athlete. Contract is a contract and you allowing me to put logos of my promotion in the ring to a company im a shareholder in and giving me 5 million for the fight and probably a small percentage of the PPV isn't enough. Fck it.. Oh yea i also want to say WHAT THE FKC ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT Shamrock when you said GINA is the best women fighter... Cyborg is going to use her as a doormat..this isn't American Gladiators and CYborg is going to let her know
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jerseu_devil said August 04, 2009

it will NOT let me post this link, so I chopped it up a little.

http://urdirt.com/2009/07/29/
the-ufc-offers-fedor-emelianenko-6-fight-30-million-deal-co-promotion-is-standing-in-the-way/

just put the link back together and go read this page.
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jerseu_devil said August 04, 2009

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The UFC offered Fedor a 6 fight, 30 million dollar contract. That’s 5 mil a fight.
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The UFC offered Fedor an immediate title shot
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Lesnar/Fedor would be the biggest PPV in MMA history (we assume), and the UFC offered M-1 Global a cut of the PPV on top of Fedor’s purse.
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Fedor was free to wear as many M-1 logoed items as he wished.
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The UFC also relented on allowing Fedor to compete in combat sambo.

this thing is just looking worse and worse for Fedor. It REALLY appears like he's either A) a complete, pig-headed idiot, or B) scared.

http://urdirt.com/2009/07/29/the-ufc-offers-fedor-emelianenko-6-fight-30-million-deal-co-promotion-is-standing-in-the-way/
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- grmd61 replied August 04, 2009
  
  Nor true! White said the amount would "possibly be up to that figure" that is not a guarantee by a long shot. Plus all the Dana White special fine print buried at the bottom of the page.
jerseu_devil said August 05, 2009

Im just mad I look thirsty posting the same shyt 11 times because it never came up the first time I tried to post....lol.

grmd61, it wasn't "guaranteed," per say, but he ACTUALLY could've made MORE than 30 million if you listen to the "experts." Fedor/Lesnar would've been akin to "Ali/Frasier." EVERYONE would've gotten PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAID.
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MONSTER said August 05, 2009

FU*K FEDOR.
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- GGtheOldMan replied August 08, 2009
  
  Is this a stipulation you are referring to from a previous argumentation?
atlarge said August 05, 2009

Fedor has 3 fights left on his current M-1 contract. He signed a 3 fight deal with Strikeforce, during which time, M-1 will be co-promoting. Vadim controls the largest stake in M-1, and at this juncture, Fedor CANNOT sign with anyone else without Vadim's approval. Fedor is M-1 property until these 3 fights are done. That's the reality, regardless of all the numbers that were thrown around out there. I happen to believe the UFC's offer would have netted Fedor about 4-6 million a fight after sponsorships, purse money and PPV cut. There's still a good chance for this to work out in a year's time. All the UFC needs is to have Brock go undefeated in his next 3 or 4 fights and they can make the match happen.
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- mitressehc replied August 05, 2009
  
  Not gonna happen. Carwin, if he beats valasquez , will beat him.
- atlarge replied August 06, 2009
  
  I think Carwin beating Velasquez is a forgone conclusion right now. Cain has fantastic potential, but he's got pillowhands for a heavyweight and was dropped twice by Kongo, although his recovery seems good. He needs to keep working his submission skills so he can deal with the 265 pounders in the division.
mitressehc said August 06, 2009

No doubt, but I have to give Cain some respect, he is a good fighter and any given night anything can happen. But I do believe that Carwin will win and then go on to beat Lesnar. Then what? Does the Fedor needs to fight Carwin rumor start rearing it's ugly head? I am truly disappointed by Fedor not coming to UFC as a fan, but in my book that just answers the question right there, is he the best or not. No, he isn't. If he is unwilling to fight the best you are not the best. He has fought some good fighters, but not the best.
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atlarge said August 06, 2009

Brock isn't the best, and right now neither is Carwin, but let's ignore Brock for a second.

Fedor has fought a prime Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 3 times, hammering him each time and winning 2 with one NC. He fought a prime Mirko Filipovic standing, instead of attempting to submit him. He destroyed Tim Sylvia and Arlovski (Though I feel bad for Arlovski, he's one of the most gifted fighters in the world, but his chin is nil) Who out there, right now would be a huge feather in Fedor's cap should he beat them? Carwin? Not really. he's 11-0 but only 1 of his wins came against someone in the top 25 (Gonzaga). Rogers? Rogers is in the same boat as Carwin now, with a single win over a ranked opponent. They both require further testing. So who else do we have? Let's make a list of the top 25 Heavyweights and see if there's a good potential matchup there, in no particular order.

Barnett: Mega Failure on his part. Will only happen in Japan at this point.

Monson: There's a matchup I'd watch. Jeff has been steamrolling opponents lately, and many of them weren't slouches. Amazing grappler, strong and durable.

Big Nog: We've seen this 3 times already. I don't think anyone wants to see a 4th.

Cro Cop: If he goes on a tear again and beats 2 or 3 very good to excellent heavyweights in a row, I'd like to see this match.

Antonio Silva: Will quite possibly never fight in the US again due to overseas fighting while under US suspension. Not really interested in this matchup but it could be half decent.

Aleksander Emelianenko: Rumours of a blood-borne contagion have continued to dog him and he wouldn't fight his brother. I'm hoping he -only- had Hep B, because that will clear his system eventually.

Arlovski: My favourite dissapointment in MMA. So much potential. So easily knocked out. When Fedor hit him with that shot I thought Andre was dead. I really don't want to see him die in the ring, but if he strings 3 or 4 fights together and tightens up his defense, maybe a second go would be plausible

Ben Rothwell: No. There's nothing interesting about this matchup at all. Good record, solid fighter, but he's going to suffer some losses in the near future.

Chris Tuchscherer: A record of 18-1 and a recent UFC employee. Very good wrestler and a Lesnar training partner. Has fought less than stellar competition. I forsee losses on his record in the near future as well, even if he fights Rothwell.

Randy Couture: This was a compelling matchup 2 years ago maybe. Not so much anymore. A great fighter, tough as nails and very good submission defense while good at keeping guys on their backs. I think he's definitely lost a step and I think he'll actually lose to a healthy Nog at UFC 102. But we'll see.

Carwin: Not yet for reasons stated above.

Alistair Overeem: This will be a very interest fight. Since abandoning LHW and filling out his considerable frame, Overeem has become a monster. I think he's still developing his game, but would still make an interesting opponent for Fedor.

Rogers: Not yet re: Carwin argument.

Fabricio Werdum: Coming off a Loss to Junior Dos Santos doesn't make for great fight hype. Has a loss to Nog and really offers nothing other than BJJ Wizardry.

The list gets less and less likely so I'll speed things up.
Sergei Kharitonov : coming off a loss to Monson.
Tim Sylvia: Was just knocked out by a retired pro boxer in his first MMA bout. I think he's still having back issues and is likely to retire in the next 2 years.
Paul Buentello: Loss to Arlovski and is a solid fighter but no.
Cain Velasquez: Still far too raw. Will have his hands full with Carwin. Has a lot of developing still to do.
Cheick Kongo: Hell no. Would be submitted in less than 3 minutes.
Frank Mir: Needs to keep refining himself. Still has great potential, but not right now.
Gabriel Gonzaga: Definitely not. Easily frustrated, panics and gasses out.
Gilbert Yvel: NO
Ricco Rodriguez: Scraping the bottom of the barrel here...
Junior dos Santos: Maybe in a few years. Right now his biggest win is over Werdum. that's not enough.

Right now, most of the interesting and valid fights are outside of the UFC.

This is where we stop ignoring Brock. Brock might be a beast, but he's 4-1 against Couture, Herring, Mir and Min Soo Kim, having a 1-1 split with Mir. He's still very green, and to say that a man who is 30-1-0-1 has to fight a man with only 5 fights under his belt in order to be the best, is a little ridiculous. Brock has done very well and he is a fearsome task for anyone fighting him. He's done very well for someone that was dropped into the deep end of the shark tank so quickly. But to legitimately say that Fedor -needs- to fight Brock right now is ludicrous. Once Brock hits 8-1 against top 10 or top 5 competition, I think it becomes much more valid at that point.

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- jerseu_devil replied August 07, 2009
  
  You make some good points, but youre splitting hairs. Yes, EVERYONE wants Fedor to fight Brock so he can shut Lesnars ass up, but we're disappointed as fans that he SEEMED to avoid the UFC, which is where the better overall competition is. I have to disagree with you saying Mir isn't one of the best HWs around. Yeah, Brock made him look bad, but who doesn't Brock make look bad? The answer; Frank Mir. He's ranked like 4th in the world in the heavyweight division and IMO makes a terrific match up with Fedor because of his Jits. But I digress; so we've got Lesnar, Mir, Cro Cop, Couture, Nogs and to a lesser extent, Velasquez, Carwin and Kongo all fighting in the UFC; more than enough for Fedor to "cement his legacy." Its not just about Brock, although Brock would be his biggest test, because he's EVERYONES biggest test. I think more than anything, people are just disappointed and are lashing out. Real fans wanted Fedor more than anything. Its like someone canceled christmas on us....lol. AND, now, we have to listen to Lesnars mouth some more.....grrrrr.
mitressehc said August 07, 2009

You both have good points.
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RyanSudburyBJJ said August 07, 2009

It's hard to say what the reasoning was for Fedor not signing with the UFC. I personally don't think he's afraid of Brock Lesnar, but turning down the biggest deal in MMA history certainly doesn't help this argument. There are a number of reasons he could have turned it down; Fedor once said that he'd like to be remembered as a 'good person' rather than a 'good fighter' and maybe standing by his friend Vadim Finkelchtein was more important to him than making a ton of money. There is also the possibility of the Russian mob being in the background of Fedor's business decisions. I know you're laughing right now, but this is the case with many Russian hockey players.

Or maybe he's afraid of Brock Lesnar. Or maybe he hates his fans so much that he feels the need to deprive them of some of the biggest fights in MMA history.

Either way, it's my opinion that even after his contract with Strikeforce and M-1 is up, we'll never see Fedor in the UFC. For the UFC to co-promote with any other promotion would be insanity, it's a completely unrealistic request by M-1 and until Finkelchtein and Fedor realize this and take it off the bargaining table, this deal will never happen.

The big losers in this whole thing are the fans. We're missing out on some very big fights.

Worst case scenario for Fedor and Strikeforce - Rogers catches Fedor (he has the power to do it, just needs to connect), Fedor's mystique is suddenly disappeared, Strikeforce loses big money, the UFC scoops up Rogers, Strikeforce goes out of business, UFC withdraws their offer to Fedor, Fedor finishes his career fighting midgets and bearded ladies in Japan.
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- BYAnyWear replied August 07, 2009
  
  Rogers isn't that great and i've actually been to his camp..he is solid but he's not "that" great either. I agree with your point everyone is saying Fedor is on a cowardice act..but nobody knows how suspect that contract really was and at th end of the day you have to look out for yourself. 7 years is what a MMA has to do his magic...after that its a done deal.
jerseu_devil said August 07, 2009

thats the last straw fight there; the SECOND Fedor loses, its OVER. OOOOOOOOOOOOOVER. UFC deal, gone, Strikeforce viewership, gone. For Fedor to even have a CHANCE at either UFC, greatness, riches or all of the above, he has to go undefeated. Even IF he doesn't lose, he'll still be worth less because he'll be old by then. This was a PERFECT time for Fedor to get (almost) everything he wanted and be able to rocket into superstardom. I've said before I don't think Fedor is "scared" of Brock; crazy Russian fux are very rarely scared of anything, but it COULD be all of those reasons you said; mafia and all that, etc, etc. It just sucks because WE are the big losers in all of this.
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- GGtheOldMan replied August 08, 2009
  
  If Fedor loses Dana will still sign him. I'll put money on it.
- atlarge replied August 10, 2009
  
  At a considerable discount lol

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